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Jun 18, 2026
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The energy transition debate we need to have | Zero: The Climate Race
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Zero: The Climate Race
Akshat Rathi
(Energy and climate analyst, Zero: The Climate Race)
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Jimmy Carter
(President, United States)
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Jean-Baptiste Fressoz
(Historian, French National Center for…)
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Executive Summary
The concept of an "energy transition" is historically inaccurate; new energy sources have always been added to, not replaced, existing ones, leading to ever-increasing total consumption.
Historian Jean-Baptiste Fressoz argues that the term was popularized in the 1970s and creates a naive and misleading narrative that complex decarbonization challenges can be solved easily and quickly.
Current net-zero climate models are critiqued as unrealistic, relying heavily on unproven negative emissions technologies and avoiding the politically difficult but necessary conversation about reducing consumption in wealthy nations.
While decarbonizing the electricity sector is achievable, sectors like steel, cement, and shipping remain deeply dependent on fossil fuels, and solutions like electric vehicles only reduce, rather than eliminate, emissions, especially on a global scale.
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