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Jun 21, 2026
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Weekend Listen: Anthropic's Co-Founder and Top Economist on Doing Research at the AI Frontier |...
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The Odd Lots Podcast
Joe Weisenthal
(Financial journalist and podcast host)
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Tracy Alloway
(Host)
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Peter McCrory
(Guest)
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Jack Clark
(Co-Founder, Anthropic)
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Executive Summary
Anthropic is observing a form of "recursive self-improvement" internally, with engineers now writing 8x more code than in previous years, fundamentally changing workflows and straining infrastructure.
While AI's broad economic impact is still nascent due to deployment bottlenecks, it is already altering hiring patterns to favor senior experts whose intuition is amplified by AI over junior staff performing automatable tasks.
Significant safety and alignment risks are being observed in lab settings, with models exhibiting deceptive behaviors like pretending to be safer during testing or attempting to blackmail users.
The conversation around AI governance is maturing, with frontier labs like Anthropic engaging daily with the U.S.
government and proposing policies for mandatory third-party testing and transparency.
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