Capital Allocators• Dec 1, 2025• 55:41Interview

John Khoury – Asymmetry and Opportunity in Public Real Estate at Long Pond (EP.474)

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John Khoury•Founder and Managing Partner, Long Pond Capital

Executive Summary

Publicly traded real estate (REITs) is the only S&P 500 sector still down significantly since early 2022, creating a major valuation disconnect where high-quality assets trade at a 25-30% discount to private market values.
The market structure has evolved due to passive investing and short-term-focused 'pod' hedge funds, increasing volatility and creating opportunities for long-term, fundamental investors to exploit mispricings.
A sharp decline in new construction starts (down 60-70%) in key sectors like Sunbelt apartments, industrial, and self-storage is setting the stage for a positive inflection in fundamentals and rental growth.
Long Pond Capital has launched an actively managed ETF (LPRE) to provide concentrated exposure to what they deem the highest-quality real estate and real estate-related businesses, many of which are not in passive indices like VNQ.

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Concerns Raised

Secular decline in specific subsectors, particularly the long-term impact of AI on office vacancy
Short-term market volatility driven by passive flows and pod shops can cause prices to disconnect from fundamentals for extended periods
The risk of a broader economic recession impacting even high-quality real estate assets

Opportunities Identified

Acquiring high-quality Sunbelt apartment, industrial, and self-storage REITs at a 25-30% discount to private market value
Capitalizing on the upcoming inflection in fundamentals as the recent glut of new supply subsides
Investing in asset-light hotel management companies like Hilton and Hyatt with strong, capital-efficient growth profiles
Potential for M&A activity as private capital takes advantage of cheap public market valuations

Key Themes

Public vs. Private Market Valuation Disconnect

Publicly traded real estate is significantly undervalued compared to its private market counterparts. The speaker notes that high-quality Sunbelt apartment REITs are being acquired at implied cap rates of 6.5-7%, representing a 25-30% discount to private transaction values, which are closer to 5%.

This large valuation gap creates a compelling investment opportunity, either through direct investment in undervalued public companies or through potential M&A activity as private equity firms acquire public REITs at a premium.

Evolving Market Structure and Increased Volatility

The rise of passive index funds and short-term-oriented pod-style hedge funds has fundamentally changed the public real estate market. These participants, who are not focused on long-term intrinsic value, have caused stock price moves on earnings days to double, creating wider and more frequent dislocations from fundamental value.

This structural shift creates a fertile environment for long-term, fundamental investors who can tolerate short-term volatility to identify and capitalize on significant mispricings that these other market participants create.

The Cyclical Opportunity in Secularly Advantaged Sectors

Sectors like Sunbelt apartments, industrial, and self-storage faced headwinds from a surge in new supply that was financed when capital was cheap. With new construction starts now down 60-70% from their peak, this supply glut is ending, setting the stage for a strong cyclical recovery and earnings growth.

Investors have an opportunity to buy into high-quality, secularly growing real estate sectors at a cyclical low point, just before fundamentals are expected to inflect positively due to tightening supply.

The Case for Active Management in Real Estate

Broad real estate ETFs like VNQ are presented as suboptimal, containing a large percentage of lower-quality or secularly challenged assets. The speaker's analysis suggests only 30% of VNQ's holdings are high-quality, and many attractive real estate-related businesses like Hilton are excluded entirely.

This highlights the potential for active management to generate alpha by concentrating on a curated universe of high-quality companies and avoiding the underperforming segments inherent in passive, market-cap-weighted indices.

Shift to Asset-Light Business Models

Companies like Hilton and Hyatt have successfully transitioned from owning real estate to asset-light management and franchise models. This shift allows for high-margin, capital-efficient growth (projected 15% annual earnings growth) and has resulted in dramatic outperformance in free cash flow generation compared to traditional REITs.

This trend demonstrates a powerful way to gain exposure to the real estate sector's growth drivers without the capital intensity and balance sheet risk of direct property ownership, offering a different and potentially more attractive risk-reward profile.

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Topics

Real Estate Investing REITs Public Markets Private Markets Valuation Discrepancy Long Pond Capital Active Management Passive Investing Hedge Funds Pod Shops Sunbelt Apartments Industrial Real Estate Self-Storage Data Centers Hotel Management Cap Rates LPRE ETF Asymmetric Investing

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