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Mar 13, 2026
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When AI Discovers the Next Transformer — Robert Lange
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Robert Lange
(Founding Researcher, Sakana AI, guest)
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Executive Summary
LLMs combined with evolutionary algorithms, as demonstrated by Sakana AI's "Shinka Evolve" system, represent a new paradigm for automated scientific discovery and complex code generation.
Shinka Evolve significantly improves sample efficiency over prior methods by using techniques like model ensembling and diverse mutation operators, aiming to democratize access to powerful AI research tools.
The future of research is envisioned as a collaboration where humans act as "shepherds," guiding autonomous AI systems that run experiments, accumulate evidence, and propose new research directions overnight.
A key future challenge is the co-evolution of problems and solutions, moving beyond optimizing for fixed objectives to allow AI to discover entirely new problem domains and stepping stones to innovation.
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